The Ontology of Artificial Intelligence - with John Vervaeke and DC Schindler

This is a discussion that Ken Lowry kindly organized on his YouTube channel and podcast, Climbing Mt. Sophia. The panel includes me, John Vervaeke (@johnvervaeke) and DC Schindler. We talk about the ontology of artificial intelligence from different perspectives: the scientific, philosophical, and spiritual or theological perspectives. Follow the Climbing Mt. Sophia channel: https://www.youtube.com/@climbingmt.sophiaJohn Vervaeke’s video essay that prompted this discussion:John Vervaeke - AI: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take | Internationally Acclaimed Cognitive Scientist: https://youtu.be/A-_RdKiDbz4?si=K3SUnyrA1ywedRzfTimestamps:00:00 - Coming up next00:22 - Intro music00:47 - Introduction02:29 - John: Weak AI and Strong AI05:46 - Cognition and computation07:00 - Hobbes and Descartes09:04 - The scientific argument12:01 - The philosophical argument: Rationality13:21 - The spiritual argument15:10 - Thresholds and orienting AI19:15 - 3 Possibilities with AI23:07 - Jonathan 1: The economics24:57 - Jonathan 2: AI is not our child26:16 - Jonathan 3: Idolatry28:32 - John's response31:10 - A reason for hope34:47 - Back to seeing AI as a child36:16 - Theology will be the important science38:32 - Can AI be wise?42:00 - Schindler 1: Unity that transcends multiplicity and function47:21 - Schindler 2: The Technological Spirit51:07 - Schindler 3: The danger of us aligning ourselves to the AI54:35 - There's no intelligence without life01:00:24 - What is life?01:03:18 - The persistence of being: reproduction, autopoiesis01:08:54 - Darwin brought Plato back01:13:12 - Symbolic structures01:16:26 - Divination and gods01:22:00 - Schindler and Vervaeke respond01:27:10 - Nuclear weapons01:29:31 - Sacrifice and our myth traditions01:36:32 - Finding internal unity01:49:35 - What god are we incarnating?01:57:17 - The meta-solution💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.