The topic of Ecumenism has been presented in several forums. I hope we can begin a dialogue in this forum as to why it is important. Below are my thoughts based on my education and experiences.
On one level if we do not participate in ecumenical dialogue again, “ecumenical dialogue” then we run the chance of being mistaken for pagans when they see our icon screens. Or they mistake us for Muslims when they see our priests and monastics dressed in black robes. And when we discuss missionary efforts- the Baptist and Protestants rush into Orthodox countries thinking they are non-Christian and in need of saving because they don\'t know what the Orthodox Church is.
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Misha Sarov
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John Chan
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Am I the only one who got lost trying to follow the train of thought with that last post?
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Paul Barrera
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ostonvasi wrote:
I am finding that the bishops and monks who are so strongly opposed and leading the debate against ecumenical dialogue are from Orthodox Countries where everyone knows what Orthodoxy is. In America and some of the newer or secular countries- there are soooooo many religions that very few people know what Orthodoxy is.
I heartily agree.
We don't have Orthodox history
What about all the American saints??
, kings and tsars or chapels and cathedrals to walk by on a daily basis.
True true. Although for a year I lived behind two Orthodox parishes here in Seattle :cool:
15 years ago when I told an Orthodox friend my sister was joining a monastery they asked if she was becoming Catholic! Imagine that! She was joining one of Fr. Ephraim’s first monasteries and unless one traveled to Greece and actually went to a monastery an American in the GOA was not exposed to monasticism. (I think the bishops brought the elders and monastics to America to teach us all about Orthodoxy. ...not because one must be monastic to be Orthodox but because it is such a strong part of our history and how we express our faith.)
There have been Orthodox monasteries in the United States ever since Alaska was purchased from Russia.
In America, the majority of our people are disconnected and ignorant of European history and religion. With dialogue and by opening our doors – not our communion lines- to the non-Orthodox (heretical and heterodox are such harsh words to me.) Orthodoxy has the opportunity to move beyond an ethnic religion, i.e. for just the Greek, Russian and Serbian people, and into a universal Christian faith, teaching and converting the children of God to be enlightened to having a relationship with God using the tools Jesus and the Orthodox Fathers have taught us. We are not called to be selfish with our faith but to preach it to every corner of the world.
I\'ve never encountered Orthodoxy as an ethnic thing.....Orthodoxy is for the glory of God through our Lord in the Spirit!
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Paul Barrera
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I want to offer another quote from Father George Florovsky:
\"True ecumenism is when everyone converts to Orthodoxy.\"
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Uh-oh, Paul. I guess you\'ll have to remove your own post b/c it\'s slanderous. Can\'t have metioning of ecumenism at all, becuase you can\'t have ecumenism (true OR false) with out ecumenists! And SOMEONE has to be an ecumenist. Gotcha! :)
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Paul Barrera
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Orthodox people are impossible to moderate!!! I\'m gonna find the exact quote from Florovsky and repost it!!!
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Paul Barrera
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I can\'t find it :(.... any help?
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Paul Barrera
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Just a reminder, this thread is called \"Why we need ecumenical dialogue \" please keep it relevant. I am splitting off a couple of quotes to discuss the place of the Bible in Orthodoxy.
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I read those now deleted posts and I do not remember them making any slanderous comments.
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Paul Barrera
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Thanks Bratislav - I\'ll be reading it inbetween working throughout today!
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Paul Barrera
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Paul Barrera
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Misha said:
Once, a bishop asked elder Ephraim of Katounakia in Mt Athos what does he think about ecumenism.Elder Ephraim prayed intensively and God gave him the answer:his cell was fulfiled with a disgusting odour.
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Paul Barrera
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Misha said:
http://papalvisit.ecupatriarchate.org/press/articles.php?id=104
im not an old calendarist,but the panheresy of ecumenism is the main dogmatic threat to Church's unity and selfconsciousness
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