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The last group that tampered with the Creed to suit the needs of the time.. well we all know how that turned out...

The whole idea of another \"Ecumenical\" Council is a little odd, I think. I mean, you can\'t just say, \"We\'re going to have an Ecumenical Council now.\" It doesn\'t work that way. There have been large councils, bigger than some of the Seven, which ended up being condemned as heretical. If there really was ever going to be an \"Eighth,\" its status as Ecumenical would not be able to be determined by its participants. The Holy Spirit would have to reveal it to have been truly Ecumenical and the Church would have to accept it as such. Anyway, as for the Creed, the Second (I think.. maybe the Third) Ecumenical Council forbade any additions to or subtractions from the Creed. The Creed is a concise statement of the absoulte core of Christian doctrine. Other issues have arisen since (five more undisputed Ecumenical Councils were called after the Creed was finalized, to say nothing of all the other major councils), but none of them felt the need to modify the Creed. St. Gregory Palamas didn\'t call for an addendum to specify that we can participate in God\'s uncreated energies. I can\'t imagine any justification for changing the Creed in any way whatsoever.

I do not think the Creed can ever be changed as those were the words of the Holy Spirit i.e. God put together by the Niceaen Fathers. As far as another Ecumenical Council is concerned, the Appocolypse could occur first or at the very least we will all have been pushing up daisies for many centuries already at hat point.

I think the Creed covers everything as it should. (Read \"The Symbol of Faith\" by Princess Illena) In fact, I don\'t think there is any new \"type\" of sin in the world that isn\'t covered by Holy Scripture, Teachings of the Fathers and Church Tradition. As a Good and God Inspired profession of faith I don\'t see why there would be a need or why anyone would want to modify the Creed!

The Nicene Creed, the creed of the First Ecumenical Council, held at Nicaea, was modified at the Second Ecumenical Council, held at Constantinople (the section on belief in the Holy Spirit was expanded and the anathema at the end was dropped), thus the creed that we say in the Liturgy is more properly called the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. The Second Ecumenical Council decreed, and the subsequent Ecumenical Councils confirmed, that the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed should not be altered in any way, shape, or form. Thus, it would be a clear sign of either heresy (Filioque) or of heinous marring of established ecclesiastical order and tradition to make or suggest any kind of change. In other words, messing with the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed is a red flag, making one\'s Orthodoxy questionable because the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed is the symbol of our Orthodox faith. To clarify Namees point on Ecumenical Councils, these are NOT known only after the fact to be truly ecumenical in authority. Fr. John Romanides points this out in one of his essays. The Holy Fathers who participated in the Seven Ecumenical Councils (leaving aside 8 or 9) believed those councils to be ecumenical, at the time of their meeting. There was no waiting for general acceptance by the laity. True, there were other, heretical councils called and ecumenical status for them may have been claimed at the time, but this does not disprove the prevelant opinion, contemporary to the times of the Seven Ecumenical Councils, that they were ecumenical, that is, having authority for the whole Church.

I know you guys hate wikipedia, but there\'s an interesting table that shows how the creed was changed between 325 and 381. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#Comparison_between_Creed_of_325_and_Creed_of_381 The third Ecumenical Council: \"It is unlawful for any man to bring forward, or to write, or to compose a different Faith as a rival to that established by the holy Fathers assembled with the Holy Ghost in Nic?a.\"

Dear friends, I believe that if God is willing, there will one day be another great council worldwide in the Orthodox Church that may come to be consider ecumencal and universally valid for all the Church. However, I also believe the Nicene Creed as it stands now will never need to be changed or in any way added to; it can\'t be improved, and is perfect the way it is. However, perhaps an Ecumenical Council will approve a universal Catechism for the whole Orthodox Catholic Church, which explains the Orthodox Faith and deals with all heresies and errors since 1054 AD, and which one and for all deals with the Filioque and explains plainly and truthfully why Filioque is heresy. That would have to be done perhaps in some time, to explain why Orthodoxy cannot unite with Romanism as long as Rome accepts Filioque, papal infallibility, azymes, mandatory celibacy, indulgences, purgatory, immaculately conceived Theotokos, and other papist heresies, and the Protestant (Lutheran, etc.) heresies, as well, would have to be dealt with. Take care. Always, Scott Harrington ERIE PA USA

\"Keeping all this in mind and painfully aware of the situation of the contemporary Orthodox Church and of the world in general - which has not substantially changed since my last appeal to the Holy Council of Bishops (May, 1971) my conscience once more obliges me to turn with insistence and beseeching to the Holy Council of Bishops of the martyred Serbian Church: let our Serbian Church abstain from participating in the preparations for the \"ecumenical council,\" indeed from participating in the council itself. For should this council, God forbid, actually come to pass, only one kind of result can be expected from it: schisms, heresies and the loss of many souls. Considering the question from the point of view of the apostolic and patristic and historical experience of the Church, such a council, instead of healing, will but open up new wounds in the body of the Church and inflict upon her new problems and new misfortunes.\" fr.Justin Popovich http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/stjustin_council.aspx when o synod is really ecumenical and not a pseudosynod? http://www.oodegr.com/english/dogma/synodoi/oik_syn1.htm