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Dear friends, What do the Church Fathers who use the phrase \"through the Son\", as in \"who proceeds from the Father \"through the Son\", regarding the procession of the Holy Spirit, mean by the phrase \"through the Son\". This does NOT mean the same thing as \"and (from) the Son\" (FILIOQUE), correct?
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GC
#3
Hi,
This question is rather big and can be rather confusing. It\'s best left for a priest or theologian to answer. There is a forum here called Advice from Priests or Advice Forum, something like that. I suggest posting it there.
Gerald
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RB
#2
The notion comes from the image in the Gospel of John where Jesus breathes the Holy Spirit onto the apostles.
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Paul Barrera
#4
We believe that the Father is the Author of all things, and as Father he is eternally Begetting his eternal Son, and eternally proceeding the Spirit from himself. The Son sends the Spirit from the Father, not from himself.
I can elaborate if necessary.
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BB
#1
I would appreciate elaboration.
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EP
#5
The Father is the Source of all things and the fountainhead of the Godhead. The Son is eternally begotten from the Father, the Spirit eternally proceeds from the Father--as from a SOURCE, as the Greek word ekporevete in the Creed states. The Latin word procedit does not have the meaning \"as from a source,\" so this opens the door for confusion about the procession of the Holy Spirit, at least for later Western theologians with little background in Greek.
(I may have my Greek and Latin forms wrong, b/c I don\'t have the texts in front of me.)
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RB
#6
I would like to ask a more detailed question. Why would the fathers say \"through the Son\" and not just leave it at \"from the Father\"? Why make it more complicated? How is the Son *necessary* for the Spirit to proceed from the Father, or is the Son simply not necessary for the Spirit to proceed?
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