I have a question for my fellow Orthodox. NOTHING POLITICAL - DON\'T WORRY! Would you give your family tree to a Mormon?
I have a cousin who is a Mormon (convert from Catholicism). When I was visiting her and other relatives last, the discussion of geneology came up. She asked that I send her a copy of the geneology my family (from the other side) had done. I have not and do not intend to send it because I know how it will be used. My protestant aunt, however, believes I should send it in hopes my cousin, which the wealth of Mormon records, can get info that we have not been able to. Her reasoning is, since Mormonism is a false religion, it wouldn\'t matter if they \"baptized\" all our dead relatives. I agree the Mormon baptism wouldn\'t effect the souls of my reposed relatives, but it just doesn\'t seem right to me. Opinions?
Just to clarify - this is intended to be about interpersonal relations with people of other faiths & possibly the effect on our own souls. I\'m not trying to bash Mormons.
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If I remember correctly, Mormon theology states something to the effect of \"if thou does not record thine family history than thou is in deep trouble.\"
The whole baptizing dead relatives bit has always disturbed me.
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MitchC wrote:
If I remember correctly, Mormon theology states something to the effect of "if thou does not record thine family history than thou is in deep trouble."
Funny how they pay more attention to that than paying attention to the history of the church and the succession of bishops back to the Apostles!
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Dear Orthodox friends,
I believe one of the blessed and holy
epistles of the blessed and holy Apostle of
our LORD GOD and Saviour JESUS CHRIST
says to STAY AWAY FROM \"endless
genealogies .... and disputes about the
law\", which do \"bring forth strifes
(divisions)\".
Mormonism is the most evil result of the
Protestant Reformation; the Protestant
reformation is the non-reparatorial solution
to the Papist Latin pro-Filioquist schism: the
Reformation failed to reject Filioque, among
other papist errors Luther and Calvin, etc.,
retained, that is, Augustinian \"theology\",
especially \"predestinarianism.\"
Go figure.
Scott Harrington
Erie PA
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Scotland1960 wrote:
Mormonism is the most evil result of the
Protestant Reformation; the Protestant
reformation is the non-reparatorial solution
to the Papist Latin pro-Filioquist schism: the
Reformation failed to reject Filioque, among
other papist errors Luther and Calvin, etc.,
Oddly enough, the Reformation brought back old heresies. Gnosticism became Mormonism and Arianism became Jehova\'s Witness-ism.
I highly doubt that Reformers like Luther knew that the Filioque was added by the Roman Church, otherwise they\'d remove it and instead of accusing St. Constantine of interfering with Christianity, than they\'d accuse Charlemagne of interfering (which he did. Hence part of the reason why the Filioque spread to Rome).
Point is, I think we should give Rome a bit more of a break; after all there are at least something like 30,000 Protestant \"denominations\". Rome I\'d have to give credit for not facing as many schisms as the Protestants have.
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I would share the same concern with sending my family history to a morman relative. Not that it would harm anyone that has all ready reposed but I would not want to contribute to there churches proceedings in any way.
Why throw fuel on the fire.
even though this practice is mentioned in 1 Cor 15:29 it is something that the Church has rejected.
It is curious that many denominations focus in on particular biblical passages thinking they have found something in the bible that brings them closer to \"original Christianity\"
it is too bad many heterodox people are ignorant of the Orthodox church and its history.
-Asaph
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Unfortunately, I don\'t think many people want to know the truth. Maybe they\'re afraid of being wrong or don\'t really care in the first place.
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Scotland1960 wrote:
Dear Orthodox friends, I believe one of the blessed and holy epistles of the blessed and holy Apostle of our LORD GOD and Saviour JESUS CHRIST says to STAY AWAY FROM "endless genealogies .... and disputes about the law", which do "bring forth strifes (divisions)".
Actually, the \"genealogies\" that the Apostle was referring to were not family trees and the like. I\'m not a biblical scholar, but as I recall in that time groups would have disputes about their origins (kind of like the \"I am of Cephas/Paul/Apollos/Christ\" disputes also condemned by St. Paul). Philosophical schools would have \"genealogies\" of their leaders. These were sort of \"intellectual\" lists, though, not family trees. Both St. Matthew and St. Luke, in their Gospels, wrote genealogies for the Lord, and in the Old Testament there are various genealogies. So researching your family history is not condemned at all. I know this isn\'t central to the discussion here, but I wanted to make that distinction.
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Yeah, that\'s tough. I don\'t think I\'m very good at sharing my faith. There\'s so much to it and those that come to Orthodoxy come for many different reasons. Who knows where to start? Some people have a talent for it.
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SrIrene wrote:
They do? I'm only aware of two reasons that people come to Orthodoxy. To marry an Orthodox person or in pursuit of the Truth.
Well, I think it can be more complicated than that. Some come seeking intellectual fulfillment, some the \"historical Church,\" some a challenging religious experience, etc. Some people have emotional needs that they think the Church fulfills. Some are looking for an \"exotic,\" \"Eastern\" experience of Christianity. A friend of mine, much to my chagrin, said that he converted to Orthodoxy because he wanted \"to be right.\" Anyway, I guess you could classify all of those reasons as \"seeking the Truth,\" but it can be pretty complicated.
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Kerygma wrote:
LOL... I've heard that some come because of the food! Only kidding....
That\'s funny! When I told my aunt I was becoming Orthodox she said I was doing it in order to live the \"lifestyle\" that I wanted to live - like it\'s something easy. Ha! Right! I\'m a MAJOR carnevore!
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Are there any former Mormons (\"Latter-day saints\") who found their way to this forum and who are coming into the Orthodox Church (Faith)? here in the USA (or abroad)?
Any of you there who were members of Mormonism who became Orthodox or some other version of Christian that was non-Mormon?
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I heard that one gentleman in my church was supposed to have been a \"Mormon prophet\" before becoming Orthodox.
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Kerygma wrote:
LOL... I've heard that some come because of the food! Only kidding....
Actually, Kerygma (and I love your handle, BTW), you\'re not that far off base...what is the Communion Hymn we chant during the Presanctified Liturgy? \"Taste and see that the Lord is good!\" (taken from Psalm 33/34.)
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Manny wrote:
Kerygma wrote:
LOL... I've heard that some come because of the food! Only kidding....
Actually, Kerygma (and I love your handle, BTW), you're not that far off base...what is the Communion Hymn we chant during the Presanctified Liturgy? "Taste and see that the Lord is good!" (taken from Psalm 33/34.)
So...come for the food, stay for the salvation? Sounds good to me.
Back to the issue at hand...I strongly suspect it\'s related to their idea of baptising the dead; and I am inclined to agree with what StIrene said on the matter. If she asks, answer with politeness, but otherwise, do not fret.
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